CANcOnANDsoNVIL Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 genuine question: what advantages are there for upsampling redbook (or even DSD64) to DSD512? Link to comment
Rovo Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 among others this will depend on your DAC. If your DAC performs better at DSD512 (e.g. T+A DAC 200), you will have a sound quality advantage. It will depend on the combination of the components you use, which "path" will give the best sound quality. Industry disclosure: Rolan Hi-Fi owner Link to comment
Gerardo61 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 On 6/25/2024 at 11:23 AM, Miska said: Challenge with those 12 GB cards is that the case you describe takes very close to 12 GB of RAM. So if there are any other processes using the GPU (for example for display output), or when convolution is in use, then it can easily run out of RAM. This is why I recommend to get 16 GB models when buying a GPU. For other filters, this is not nearly as close. @Miska Hello Jussi thanks in advance for time that I could dedicate to myself. I have an I5 12400 with 16Gb DDR 3200 running Ubuntu 22.04.04 with your low latency kernel running HQP Desktop 5.7.3. This PC is connected via Ethernet to an rpi4/NAA connected with USB3 to the Cyan2. This PC works perfectly in DSD256 upsampling with Cyan2 correction using N1/Nx poly-sinc-xtr-short-lp/mp Filters with ASDM7EC-light modulator. Unfortunately with the correction it fails to work properly at DSD512 with the same filters and modulator. If I deactivate the correction it works perfectly on DSD512 but also DSD1024 (see the screen-shot), but using the AHM7EC5L modulator. Temperatures remain normal thanks to the Noctua NH-D9L. My question is whether adding a GeForce RTX 4060 16Gb DDR GPU can help the CPU achieve DSD512/1024 resolutions with the Cyan2 correction. I don't use Convolution. Considering the cost of around €500-600, is it worth adding the GPU or is it better to just change the CPU and switch to I9 14900K? Thanks very much indeed for your suggestion Best regards Gerardo Gerardo Link to comment
Miska Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 7/30/2024 at 9:30 PM, Gerardo61 said: My question is whether adding a GeForce RTX 4060 16Gb DDR GPU can help the CPU achieve DSD512/1024 resolutions with the Cyan2 correction. I don't use Convolution. I don't have any RTX 4060, so I cannot comment. But my guess is that it won't do it at DSD1024... On 7/30/2024 at 9:30 PM, Gerardo61 said: Considering the cost of around €500-600, is it worth adding the GPU or is it better to just change the CPU and switch to I9 14900K? IIRC, 14900K cannot do DAC correction at DSD1024 either. But I cannot confirm right now. But on Windows, correction at DSD512 works for me with RTX 2080Ti at 44.1k x512, but not with 48k x512 (i9-10900K). So this can give some ballpark figure. Gerardo61 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Popular Post cpcat Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 47 minutes ago, Miska said: IIRC, 14900K cannot do DAC correction at DSD1024 either. But I cannot confirm right now. But on Windows, correction at DSD512 works for me with RTX 2080Ti at 44.1k x512, but not with 48k x512 (i9-10900K). So this can give some ballpark figure. I can do DAC correction, with lesser CPU, and GPU offload, for 1024x with the hybrid EC modulator. I am sure you know this but just for others who might read later. 😊 Miska and Gerardo61 1 1 QNAP NAS w/minimserver, iBuypower i7 13700kf, RTXa5000 24g GPU, Ubuntu 22.04 LTS minimal server, HQPe v5 x64 avx2, HQPDcontrol4, HQPlayer Client iOS, mconnect playerHD, JplayiOS, Daphile on Asus PN-51-s1 (AMD 5700u) in Akasa fanless case, NAA 5.0.0 image on Fitlet2 , Lampizator Big 7 MKII Balanced, Holo Spring L2 V3, Placette Balanced Passive Linestage, Pass XVR1, Pass X5, Pass XA 100.5’s, PSB Stratus Gold(i)’s, Vandersteen 2wq’s. Link to comment
Gerardo61 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 21 hours ago, cpcat said: I can do DAC correction, with lesser CPU, and GPU offload, for 1024x with the hybrid EC modulator. I am sure you know this but just for others who might read later. 😊 RTXa5000 🤭 Chapeau 👏👏👏 cpcat 1 Gerardo Link to comment
cpcat Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Just to clarify this is with the hybrid AHM EC modulator- I suspect alot of other folks can as well. QNAP NAS w/minimserver, iBuypower i7 13700kf, RTXa5000 24g GPU, Ubuntu 22.04 LTS minimal server, HQPe v5 x64 avx2, HQPDcontrol4, HQPlayer Client iOS, mconnect playerHD, JplayiOS, Daphile on Asus PN-51-s1 (AMD 5700u) in Akasa fanless case, NAA 5.0.0 image on Fitlet2 , Lampizator Big 7 MKII Balanced, Holo Spring L2 V3, Placette Balanced Passive Linestage, Pass XVR1, Pass X5, Pass XA 100.5’s, PSB Stratus Gold(i)’s, Vandersteen 2wq’s. Link to comment
Gerardo61 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 4 minutes ago, cpcat said: Just to clarify this is with the hybrid AHM EC modulator- I suspect alot of other folks can as well. My small I5 12400 with 16Gb DDR3200 under Ubuntu 22.04 can do 48x1024 with AHM EC modulator but without correction for Cyan2. For this reason I was wondering It adding a CUDA GPU would allow the correction to be used. It can also do 48x512 with heavy filter N1/Nx and ASDM7EC series Gerardo Link to comment
cpcat Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Gerardo61 said: My small I5 12400 with 16Gb DDR3200 under Ubuntu 22.04 can do 48x1024 with AHM EC modulator but without correction for Cyan2. For this reason I was wondering It adding a CUDA GPU would allow the correction to be used. It can also do 48x512 with heavy filter N1/Nx and ASDM7EC series Did you try block size of 4 for example? 1-4 is required for me to do 512x with heavier modulators and DAC correction enabled. QNAP NAS w/minimserver, iBuypower i7 13700kf, RTXa5000 24g GPU, Ubuntu 22.04 LTS minimal server, HQPe v5 x64 avx2, HQPDcontrol4, HQPlayer Client iOS, mconnect playerHD, JplayiOS, Daphile on Asus PN-51-s1 (AMD 5700u) in Akasa fanless case, NAA 5.0.0 image on Fitlet2 , Lampizator Big 7 MKII Balanced, Holo Spring L2 V3, Placette Balanced Passive Linestage, Pass XVR1, Pass X5, Pass XA 100.5’s, PSB Stratus Gold(i)’s, Vandersteen 2wq’s. Link to comment
Gerardo61 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 11 hours ago, cpcat said: Did you try block size of 4 for example? 1-4 is required for me to do 512x with heavier modulators and DAC correction enabled. Thanks for suggestion but unfortunately even setting block size to 4 doesn't work. Stutters every 10-15 seconds 😞 cpcat 1 Gerardo Link to comment
Moises Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 On 7/31/2024 at 2:30 AM, Gerardo61 said: My question is whether adding a GeForce RTX 4060 16Gb DDR GPU can help the CPU achieve DSD512/1024 resolutions with the Cyan2 correction. I don't use Convolution. I have an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8Gb with i914000, this is what I can play on DSD1024 with no DAC correction or convolution enabled. For DSD512x48 I can support more demanding combinations with DAC correction and PEQ enabled. Link to comment
Moises Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 20 hours ago, Gerardo61 said: My small I5 12400 with 16Gb DDR3200 under Ubuntu 22.04 can do 48x1024 with AHM EC modulator but without correction for Cyan2. Can DO with GPU 4060ti 8Gb Link to comment
cpcat Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 @MoisesWhat utility is that? Some form of HTOP? QNAP NAS w/minimserver, iBuypower i7 13700kf, RTXa5000 24g GPU, Ubuntu 22.04 LTS minimal server, HQPe v5 x64 avx2, HQPDcontrol4, HQPlayer Client iOS, mconnect playerHD, JplayiOS, Daphile on Asus PN-51-s1 (AMD 5700u) in Akasa fanless case, NAA 5.0.0 image on Fitlet2 , Lampizator Big 7 MKII Balanced, Holo Spring L2 V3, Placette Balanced Passive Linestage, Pass XVR1, Pass X5, Pass XA 100.5’s, PSB Stratus Gold(i)’s, Vandersteen 2wq’s. Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted August 3 Popular Post Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, cpcat said: @MoisesWhat utility is that? Some form of HTOP? I am guessing it is NVTOP Moises and cpcat 1 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Gerardo61 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 4 hours ago, Moises said: Can DO with GPU 4060ti 8Gb Thanks a lot for info but I believe it Is more inexpensive to upgrade CPU at I9 13900k or 14900k. I9 13900k costs 450€ more or less, while RTX4060 16gb costs more than 500€. I9 14900k costs 550€ Gerardo Link to comment
Moises Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 12 hours ago, cpcat said: Some form of HTOP? Hi nvtop https://github.com/Syllo/nvtop cpcat 1 Link to comment
Moises Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 9 hours ago, Gerardo61 said: upgrade CPU at I9 13900k or 14900k. Yes, that’s best choice, then if you want extra boost GPU Gerardo61 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Moises Posted August 7 Popular Post Share Posted August 7 I have updated to NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super with i914000, Can play (44.1 to 192) DSD1024x48 1x/Nx Sinc-M ASDMEC7-ul Not much load on GPU Will test more, but it seems a good choice on cost/performance, specifically for ITX build. cpcat and Miska 2 Link to comment
Gerardo61 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 3 hours ago, Moises said: I have updated to NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super with i914000, Can play (44.1 to 192) DSD1024x48 1x/Nx Sinc-M ASDMEC7-ul Not much load on GPU Will test more, but it seems a good choice on cost/performance, specifically for ITX build. Good news! Just a clarification: which I9 do you use? I'm looking to upgrade my PC Thanks in Advance Gerardo Moises 1 Gerardo Link to comment
Moises Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 25 minutes ago, Gerardo61 said: which I9 do you use? The very basic one i914000 Gerardo61 1 Link to comment
Moises Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super with i914000, Can play (44.1 to 192) DSD1024x48 1x/Nx poly-sinc-gauss-xla ASDMEC7-ul Not much load on GPU MSI brand, fans are silent at 33%! Miska 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Gerardo61 Posted August 23 Popular Post Share Posted August 23 Hello everyone, yesterday I added an RTX4060oc 8Gb to my PC (I5 12400 with 16 Gb DDR3200), Ubuntu 22.04 with Kernel 6.6.30-jl+ with very positive results. Without GPU I could only do DSD 48x256 with correction for Cyan2 - N1,Nx poly-sinc-gauss-xla, long, etc with ASDM5EC-ul,light Modulator. I don't use convolution. With the 4060 I can increase the resolution to DSD 48x512 with correction using the same filters and modulator I performed a test on files at different resolutions (from 44.1 KHz up to 384KHz) and I noticed that multiples of 48KHz are the most problematic ones that give some stuttering with EC5/7 512+fs series modulators while with EC5/7 ul, light, super modulators I don't have any problems. For this I found a good balance with N1 poly-sinc-gauss-long and Nx poly-sinc-gauss-hires-lp, ASDM5EC ul or light modulator. Even native DSD upsampling up to 128 works without problems with the ASDM5/7 EC ul,light modulator This is just my small contribution to the discussion. Gerardo Miska and LoryWiv 1 1 Gerardo Link to comment
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