The Computer Audiophile Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I just started reading this book about the Bach Cello suites, and of course started wondering which versions are considered the best. Perhaps @JoshM’s TBVO column has got me interested 🙂 I have one by Janos Starker that I really like. I’d love to know what other people consider the best. Josh Mound 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
firedog Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Of course, Yo Yo Ma. He has his classic older one (1983), another from 1997, and a newer interpretation from 2018. Alisa Weilerstein has a good one that's a bit different. David Watkin has one on period (and even older) instruments that's interesting and a bit different. And for something completely different, there's Kuniko plays Bach J.S. Bach Solo Works for Marimba - arranged for marimba by Kuniko Kato. https://open.qobuz.com/album/dfqhrx2cunkqb The Computer Audiophile 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protectors +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Protection>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three BXT (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT Bedroom: SBTouch to Edifer M1380 system. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I don't find Ma or Rostropovich versions particularly remarkable, even though they are probably the most popular and most often mentioned. In my opinion, nothing on record surpasses Pablo Casals' readings. Of course, the quality of his recording is very far from audiophile requirements. I like his versions on Pearl or Opus Kura more than the EMI reissues, however recent EMI was easier to listen than earlier ones. Some very good archival versions include those by Pierre Fournier (he has at least four) and Janos Starker (most seem to like the Mercury version more). From the newer ones, I recommend to try Anner Bylsma, Jaap ter Linden, Pieter Wispelwey, various sets. Watkin is not bad either and recorded well. Heinrich Schiff is interesting. Having said that, and having mentioned several choices, I would like to recommend that you try and listen to any one that catches your attention. Surely every interested listener will find recordings that are more appealing among the considerable number of versions of Bach's cello sonatas available. Happy listening! The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
bodiebill Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 My favorites are Wispelwey 1998 Jian Wang 2003/2004 Isserlis 2005/2006 Gastinel 2007 Wispelwey 2012 Also very good: Bylsma 1979 Wispelwey 1990 Bylsma 1992 Gaillard 2001 Kniazev 2003 (slightly eccentric) Not all bad but no longer in my collection: Casals 1938 Fournier 1959 Kirshbaum 1993 Beschi 1996/1998 Berger 1997 Tunnicliffe 2010/2011 Enders 2012/2013 Watkins 2013 All very personal of course. The Computer Audiophile 1 audio system Link to comment
Popular Post WAM Posted October 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2022 I don't think the best version exists. I have got 11 sets in my library (this music fascinates me and surprises me every time I listen to it). A solid choice is Fournier. I listen quite a lot to Wispelwey (the Evil Penguin album), Yo Yo Ma III and Mayke Rademakers. And I really like the Kim Kashkashian album. But it's all personal preference, of course. Should give Casals again a listen. The Computer Audiophile, orresearch and MarcelNL 1 2 Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 follow the money ;-) Just look up in Discogs which record commands the most, hint; it's neither of the aforementioned artists ;-) I have auditioned quite a few by now and I do agree with what the masses vote for with their wallet (even when prices sometimes are insane). My vote goes for either Janos Starker or Pierre Fournier, or Ludwig Hoelscher, anyone willing to part with a mint mono LP for a decent price? (EDIT: I just stumbled across a reasonably priced Fournier) The Computer Audiophile 1 ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Popular Post PavelDosko Posted October 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2022 Yes, I also prefer the version performed by Janos Starker (Mercury Living Presence 432 756 from 1965) skatbelt and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 Link to comment
bodiebill Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Interesting to see that many prefer this music as refurbished by the (post-)19th century romantic tradition, with excessive rubati, dynamics and vibrato. Paradoxically such performances mostly leave me cold. audio system Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, bodiebill said: Interesting to see that many prefer this music as refurbished by the (post-)19th century romantic tradition, with excessive rubati, dynamics and vibrato. Paradoxically such performances mostly leave me cold. it is isn't it...taste is very personal.... Many people seem to like Mitsuko Uchida's performances, those leave me cold...to each his own ;-) ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Al Jones Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Zuill Bailey performs on an instrument from 1693 (Octave Records, recorded in DSD). This is my personal favorite version, followed closely by David Watkins. The Computer Audiophile 1 Al J. Modem/router + Keces DC-116 12V LPS - SGC Sonic Transporter + Sonore 12V LPS/Edwards Audio ISO-1 mains isolation transformer - Meicord Opal LAN cables - Aqvox Switch + Sbooster 9V LPS/Uptone LPS-1 - Etalon Isolator - Sonore Signature Rendu Special Edition + Mad Scientist Heretical USB data-only cable - Sonore Ultradigital + Uptone LPS-1 - PS Audio I2S-12 cable - HQ Player - Holo Spring Level 3 DAC - iPeng on iPad 2 - MK Sound 300 monitors - Mad Audio Scientist Tungsten Carbide footers - Niels Larsen NLE speaker cables - Walker Audio Reference Plus HIGH Definition Links - 2 MK Sound MX350 subs - Shakti Stones - Herbie's Super Sonic Stabilizers - Herbie's Tenderfeet - Stillpoints ERS EMI/RFI sheets - Gutwire Ultimate Ground + Entreq Minimus + Silver Minimus grounding boxes - Symposium Rollerblocks - Symposium Ultra platform - Akiko Tuning Sticks Link to comment
bodiebill Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, Al Jones said: Zuill Bailey performs on an instrument from 1693 (Octave Records, recorded in DSD). This is my personal favorite version, followed closely by David Watkins. Thanks, I did not know that one. Rather mannered to my ears and his intonation seems off. I find that Bach benefits from performers that do not put their ego before his. audio system Link to comment
Popular Post JoeWhip Posted October 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2022 I am no expert by any means, but this one is damn good. The Computer Audiophile, WAM, bodiebill and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I have about a dozen versions (all of them have already been mentioned) but I'd be very hesitant to recommend any of them in this particular place, since none of them is in Dolby Atmos.. 😉 MarcelNL 1 Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, sphinxsix said: I have about a dozen versions (all of them have already been mentioned) but I'd be very hesitant to recommend any of them in this particular place, since none of them is in Dolby Atmos.. 😉 I'm waiting for a Mono remastered Vinyl version of the Starker recording but in MQA sphinxsix 1 ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 Anyone like the Mischa Maisky versions? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 The David Watkin is my favorite, and here’s why: I always go for feeling over pure technical prowess. Watkin had plenty of technical prowess until he began to suffer the effects of an autoimmune disorder. The Bach was IIRC his last commercial recording. I imagine when I listen to it that I can hear him working against his disease to give this last one his all. Whether that’s actually so or not, it is just beautiful playing, full of emotion. The Computer Audiophile, MarcelNL, graham and 1 other 4 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Jud said: I always go for feeling over pure technical prowess. I love this. Jud 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Jud Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 https://theviolinchannel.com/david-watkin-rheumatic-disease-cello-retire-performance-career/ One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted October 6, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 Listening now. sphinxsix, graham and Jud 1 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post AnotherSpin Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 5 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Anyone like the Mischa Maisky versions? I have listened to probably most of the published interpretations of Bach's Cello Suites. Some, at least in part, for an introduction. However, I don't remember even starting to listen to Misha Maisky's version. I could be wrong, but his interpretation must be overly romantic, more Tchaikovsky than Bach. Chris, if you want to delve deeper into the Suites, you can not only try different artists renditions, but compare different recordings by the same performer. I've always found that intriguing. Both Wispelwey or Bylsma, for example, recorded the cycle several times. The Computer Audiophile, bodiebill and WAM 2 1 Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 I too find Maisky too smooth to rate his rendition in my top three, still it's enjoyable ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, MarcelNL said: I too find Maisky too smooth to rate his rendition in my top three, still it's enjoyable Listened to a minute or two. Exactly what I would like to avoid in Bach's performances. But, it's ok, if someone like it, let it be so. See no reason to argue. Link to comment
Popular Post Dandou Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 I have a half a dozen versions of the Cello Suites. One of my favorites is the 2007 version by Jean-Guihen Queyras. I recommend listening to the 2019 violin transcription of the Suites by Rachel Podger. For me, it was a fresh, and very enjoyable rediscovery of the Suites. And the sound is great. orresearch and bodiebill 1 1 M1 Mac Mini → SmoothLAN → LHY SW6 → fiber → Sonore OpticalModule Deluxe v2 → Fujitsu S920 (GentooPlayer) → Fiber USB → Audio-GD DI-20HE → SMSL VMV D2/Tweaked Topping Octo → Audio-GD Master 19 → Dual monobloc Nuprime STA-9 → Lessloss Firewall for Loudspeakers → Dynaudio Special Forty & Dynaudio Sub 6 + Taket BatPure supertweeters Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Jud said: I always go for feeling over pure technical prowess. They don't exclude each other after all, IMO one of the best example is many times Maisky's music partner, Martha Argerich who while being a fantastic technician has given us so many highly emotionally charged performances. 5 hours ago, AnotherSpin said: I could be wrong, but his interpretation must be overly romantic, more Tchaikovsky than Bach. That's also how I remember a quick listen to his versions. 5 hours ago, AnotherSpin said: Both Wispelwey or Bylsma, for example, recorded the cycle several times. There are also two recordings by Maisky, AFAI remember they are quite similar, the second one, I think was a bit faster. 4 hours ago, MarcelNL said: I too find Maisky too smooth to rate his rendition in my top three Same here, he didn't even make it to my top dozen. OTOH I'd also highly recommend this recording (I'm even bigger fan of Podger after seeing her live recently, she's my favorite baroque violinist): 58 minutes ago, Dandou said: I recommend listening to the 2019 violin transcription of the Suites by Rachel Podger. For me, it was a fresh, and very enjoyable rediscovery of the Suites. And the sound is great. 10 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Listening now. 👍 Also IMO - a very good performance! Link to comment
Popular Post AnotherSpin Posted October 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Dandou said: I have a half a dozen versions of the Cello Suites. One of my favorites is the 2007 version by Jean-Guihen Queyras. I recommend listening to the 2019 violin transcription of the Suites by Rachel Podger. For me, it was a fresh, and very enjoyable rediscovery of the Suites. And the sound is great. This is something I definitely find kinky, Cello Suites on violin. Or, piano sonatas on drums or organ fugues on balalaika. Is there not enough music written for literally every instrument possible? Or, are Bach's Cello Suites not good enough to be performed on the cello? But, again and all over again. Since it's there, let it be. The world is imperfect and will never conform to my ideal view of what it should be. And since it is so, so be it. And I have no difficulty at all in accepting and leaving behind something that already exists independently of me and in no way depends on me. Everything is fine. Podger is fine violinist, no doubt. MarcelNL and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 Link to comment
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