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    I thought about titling this article, Vinyl Is So Much Better Than Digital, but that would be a bit over the top and misleading. Instead, I tipped my cap to The Ramones' 1978 single. The one thing I believe vinyl has over current digital is anonymity. Vinyl lovers can walk into a local record shop, put a C-note on the counter, walk out with two albums, and spin them until they fall apart, without anyone knowing anything. Just typing that feels freeing.

     

    On the digital side of this wonderful hobby we can’t even search for an album without it going on our permanent record, and having that record linked to a thousand other databases full of information about us. Perhaps I’m an outlier for even caring, and in some circles I’m probably a whack-job, but just because I’m paranoid doesn’t meant mean my music apps aren’t out to get me :~)

     

    Camel_MoreDoctors_RedOnCall_1946-1-819x1024.jpgIt’s hard for me to believe we’re at a place where the largest music streaming service in the world, Spotify, not only tracks everything its users do, but it sells that information to record labels, and at the end of the year it packages the data up nicely and presents a portion of it back to its paying customers. And, wait for it, people want more of it! They proudly share the results of Spotify Wrapped with everyone following their social media accounts. Some day we’ll look back on this the same way we look back on medical doctors in cigarette advertisements. WTF were we thinking?

     

    IMG_1597.jpegOh come one, who cares if “they” know I stream ABBA every morning at 7:00 from Tidal, in Minneapolis, MN, to a zone titled Living Room, on a product named dCS Rossini APEX that used report being a dCS Lina, using room correction titled Wilson Audio Alexia V, controlled from an iPhone 15 Pro Max using an app that says its collecting data specifically linked to me containing my location, search history, contact info, identifiers, diagnostics, user content, usage data, and something titled other data?

     

    Who cares if this information is collected globally and provides a view into how many devices manufacturers are selling, have sold, have upgraded, how the products work, their feature sets, how people use the products, who uses the products, and this information is tied to a thousand other databases full of information, and if a company holding all this information also has the ability to design and manufacturer any products for which it knows there’s a market?

     

    This is all happening right now.

     

    wagon.pngChange is neither bad nor good in and of itself. As I was thinking about this article in the car on the way home from dropping my daughter off at school, a couple other topics came to mind. I remember being five years old in 1980. I used to sit on the armrest between the two front seats in my dad’s station wagon. Every day, on my way to preschool, hockey practice, and through snow storms because it provided me the best view. Seatbelt? Come on, nobody I knew had ever worn a seatbelt. I’m unsure if they were even functional in my dad’s car. Plus, my mom use to hold her arm out horizontally across my chest, from the passenger seat, to save me from going through the windshield during sudden stops.

     

    When I was a few years older, my friends and I got to sit in the rear facing backseat of the station wagon. This way we could at least see the 18-wheeler bearing down on us, as its brakes smoked and the driver looked for the nearest runaway truck exit ramp.

     

    Fortunately, all of us who survived, travel a little safer now. The change was good. Although I would still like the freedom to legally not wear a seatbelt if I wish, and to not have my car scream at me if I choose to do so.

     

    The other topic I thought about, and trust me I will connect this with HiFi, is agriculture. Back in the day conventional agriculture used no chemical fertilizers, pesticides, or other artificial agents. Everything was organic, not by choice but because it’s all that was available. Now, organic and conventional agriculture couldn’t be more opposite, and the definition of conventional that pertains to following traditional methods and being ordinary, is out the window.

     

    The same can be said of HiFi and music listening. Conventional HiFi now means that we as consumers are the product in most cases, and we pay for that “privilege.” I’m not pointing fingers at any company or my fellow audiophiles. This is about balance. If we get something for giving up something else, and that exchange is acceptable for consenting adults, then I have no problems with the situation. The change from anonymous listening to big brother with a database of everything you search for, click on, look at and listen to, does seem to be OK with most people.

     

    Genre-Sandwich.pngIf the data collected is used to enhance our enjoyment of this wonderful hobby, that’s a great outcome. Unfortunately it isn’t the only outcome. When the data collection and statistics influence listening behavior, something is very wrong. I personally know people who listen to specific artists at specific times, solely because they know Spotify is keeping track and it will show up on their Spotify Wrapped yearly numbers. Sounds like a personal problem, that all the self-actualized members of this community can safely ignore. Plus, we don’t use Spotify do we?

     

    We do use plenty of other music apps and services that are, “all up in our business.” It can be hard to ignore the fact that for digital audiophiles, privacy is dead. The days of voluntarily sending in an informational postcard that shipped with a product seem quaint. Now, we are the product. In addition, for HiFi manufacturers who are “partners” with other companies, their privacy is also dead. More data about their products’ usage, than even the manufacturers know, and direct access to their customers is now in the hands of competitors.

     

    Each audiophile and HiFi manufacturer gets to decide if the tradeoff is a good one. For the most part, I’d say the tradeoff is worth it. But as time goes by, and more information about what’s done with data becomes available, and smaller companies are purchased by larger companies with different goals, I get more concerned. Can’t a guy just search for an artist, click on an album, and listen to some tunes without being tracked each step of the way by the man? It makes me want to put a CD into my nonexistent CD player, or god forbid unwrap that pristine Pearl Jam Benaroya Hall vinyl boxed set and spin it on my nonexistent turntable.

     

     

     

     

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    Thoroughly enjoyed this piece.  You must be feeling better now.  😊

     

    I'm hoping that if these companies can figure me out, that they can explain me to me.  Might be useful.  Completely agree with you that this level of intrusion is unreasonable and is everywhere (tracking what we read online, what we purchase with credit cards, etc.); however, I wonder if those who pay for aggregated information find that information as useful as it might appear to be.  Or whether this is a case of folks who want to advertise simply following the latest trend -- FOMO applies to businesses as well as individuals.  

     

    It is a bit frustrating that the horse is out of the barn.  Unless you think the barn is about to burst into flames.  

     

    PS:  Love the smoking family doctor.  Nice touch.

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    Chris, you NEED a turntable. And then you can digitize the output with your convolution filters. It still will be the computer audiophile. :)

     

    Your article reminds me that I NEED to terminate my Spotify subscription, as I never use Spotify. JCR 

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    1 minute ago, jrobbins50 said:

    Chris, you NEED a turntable. And then you can digitize the output with your convolution filters. It still will be the computer audiophile. :)

     

    Your article reminds me that I NEED to terminate my Spotify subscription, as I never use Spotify. JCR 

     

    Digitizing my vinyl. That's my lifeline, so I can still be the computer audiophile :~)

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    Uh, spinning discs are digital and also anonymous. You don't need vinyl for anonymity. 

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    I wonder which streaming service will decide that

     

    a) metadata storage is getting too large and must be cut to save costs

     

    and

     

    b) capitalize on this and use it to announce they are the first privacy focused streaming service and don't store any user data.

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    21 minutes ago, firedog said:

    Uh, spinning discs are digital and also anonymous. You don't need vinyl for anonymity. 

    This is why I made sure to say, "The one thing I believe vinyl has over current digital is anonymity." Discs are all but gone.

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    8 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

    I wonder which streaming service will decide that

     

    a) metadata storage is getting too large and must be cut to save costs

     

    and

     

    b) capitalize on this and use it to announce they are the first privacy focused streaming service and don't store any user data.

    Never happen. Selling the data to be used for other purposes is a money maker. It makes way more than the cost of storage. 

     

    Plus, they have to keep track, in order for rights holders to be paid. 

     

    But, I get your point and see some angle to this approach. 

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    49 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Never happen. Selling the data to be used for other purposes is a money maker. It makes way more than the cost of storage. 

     

    Plus, they have to keep track, in order for rights holders to be paid. 

     

    But, I get your point and see some angle to this approach. 

     

    I hadn't considered that the money made would be more than the cost to store massive amounts of data.

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    I added a turntable last year, expecting one of the downsides to be the manual manipulation, maintenance, and storage of the albums themselves.  (The upsides are off topic, so leaving those aside.)  One of the pleasant surprises is that all of that "hassle" is actually quite enjoyable.  Some of this is probably nostalgia, but if you are of a certain age...

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    47 minutes ago, PeterG said:

    I added a turntable last year, expecting one of the downsides to be the manual manipulation, maintenance, and storage of the albums themselves.  (The upsides are off topic, so leaving those aside.)  One of the pleasant surprises is that all of that "hassle" is actually quite enjoyable.  Some of this is probably nostalgia, but if you are of a certain age...

    I'm totally of that age, have  a turntable and an LP collection. I NEVER (and I mean never) play them, and don't miss it. 

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    33 minutes ago, firedog said:

    I'm totally of that age, have  a turntable and an LP collection. I NEVER (and I mean never) play them, and don't miss it. 

     

    I have 2 turntables - not setup and over 3000 LPs still in boxes. They have been this way for 4 years now and don't miss them.

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    42 minutes ago, botrytis said:

     

    I have 2 turntables - not setup and over 3000 LPs still in boxes. They have been this way for 4 years now and don't miss them.

     

    You should sell the LPs, the values are quite high right now

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    50 minutes ago, PeterG said:

     

    You should sell the LPs, the values are quite high right now

     

    Much of it is not worth selling. I used to buy record collections at garage sales. I have some not-so-great stuff and some pretty rare stuff.

     

    An Iggy Pop - bootleg live LP - Suck on This? - on Ruthless Rhymes records - lol.

     

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    Chris,

     

    I've never really considered the issue of privacy to be a factor in my streaming listening. Though I have to admit I have wondered whether I might at some time be banned from Spotify for the hundreds of hours I have streamed the Enya Radio station while in bed. Her music is just so relaxing...zzzzz.

     

    Oh, when it comes to streaming and privacy are the other streaming services less intrusive?

     

    David

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    Love my digital and my vinyl for different reasons. I don’t see why one needs to choose one or the other. Leaving the sound differences to other forums, I love the tactile aspect of vinyl. I love the huge beautiful album art. I grew up w CDs and cassette tapes in the 80’s and still like the vinyl as much as streaming on Tidal or playing the 4TB of stored music on my Aurender. Both have their advantages. 
     

    I will say 95% of my CDs are all in binders.After ripping them all years back I see no advantage to spinning them. I keep my SACDs and DVDA out for some odd reason - despite all being ripped. 
     

    Ceding some privacy for the convenience of access to tons of great music seems to be a reasonable trade off w streaming media — for me at least. 

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    18 minutes ago, Former Hobbit said:

    Oh, when it comes to streaming and privacy are the other streaming services less intrusive?

    We should really think of this as an ecosystem. If there was a way to listen to analog audio over the air (FM Radio), then it wouldn’t matter. However, we listen to streaming services on devices and through other apps that are also collecting massive amounts of information about not only us, but the other products in our systems. 
     

    What if Harman sees massive amounts of Roon subscribers with a specific product that Harman doesn’t offer? Given that the company has certified the product and knows the ins/outs of it, and has the ability to manufacture it, and contact potential customers directly, I’d be a bit worried if I was a Roon partner. Longer term, perhaps consumers should worry about one company having so much data and potential control, and that company negatively impacting “partners” / companies we like, who probably didn’t think they’d be giving away so much to a competitor down the road. 
     

    This is much larger than Spotify knowing what music you like :~)

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    I keep finding the software in my workflows that will no longer work without the internet for virtually no reason.  

     

     

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    Always enjoy your articles and usually find them very informative and helpful. While I enjoyed this one  I have to say that I am not fully in line with your thoughts here. Perhaps you felt like venting and that's allowed as I cannot imagine managing a site and engaging with all as you do.

     

    We have been in the digital age for a long while now. I just realized that my Amazon account is almost 20 years old so there is a lot of data there. Television providers were tracking viewing habits for decades so Netflix et al. are continuing what is done more easily now. Grocery shopping is the same. Vinyl maybe safe (and quite enjoyable) but there are CCTVs all around the stores that can capture habits. 
     
    Point being that we are in the digital system all around unless one is trying to live off grid. Audiophile perspective on this just sounds like we have been behind the curve and recently starting to feel it. I am not trying to minimize the concerns you raised but rather trying to frame it among the competing avenues of personal tracking that we have been dealing with and have gotten used to.  Maybe audiophiles have a very personal, almost sacred love for their hobby and therefore a stronger indignation? Would it be  better if audiophile data was not worth tracking? :)

     

    2023 was the beginning of AI and the usage of correlated data will only increase from here and in ways that cannot be understood as yet but certainly will be changing things.

     


     

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    11 hours ago, Iving said:

    ………Data abuse should become indictable. But that isn't happening, and won't happen, because people just don't care enough……..

     

    people care a lot and it is happening, for example EU GDPR (Wikipedia reference):

     

    The General Data Protection Regulation (Regulation (EU) 2016/679, abbreviated GDPR) is a European Union regulation on information privacy in the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA). The GDPR is an important component of EU privacy law and human rights law, in particular Article 8(1) of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. It also governs the transfer of personal data outside the EU and EEA. The GDPR's goals are to enhance individuals' control and rights over their personal information and to simplify the regulations for international business

     

    but yes it is slow to rollout and there is inherent inertia in trying to implement such type of legislation across such a vast target as the EU, but it is not right to say people don’t care and that it won’t happen because, slowly, it is…….

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    On 3/14/2024 at 11:21 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I’m not a fan of letting stuff slide just because it has been going on for a while

     

    ^ This is the reason you should stay in the game and not do this:

     

    On 3/14/2024 at 11:21 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Some days I wish I lived in a one room shack in the middle of nowhere

     

    Thank you for your efforts and the platform that you help the audio community with. 

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