Euphony OS w/Stylus player setup and issues thread

6 hours ago, johnli said:

Bob,

 

May I know your preliminary method to fix that Roon bridge bug?

Thanks

 

Arthor: when will the update to squash this bug be available? I'm keen to have euphony to act as a Roon bridge!

THanks

I did not fix it, the support folks did.  Basically modified some things in the OS to make my endpoint RoonBridge only.  

Thanks guys, to be honest I was no lazy asking for advice, it was more of an analysis paralysis   I just want to start with something decent, not completely wrong so to say, now I plan to do it that way - buy an internal SSD to run the Euphony Stylus as well as an external HDD with PS and then place the same songs on the SSD and the HDD and try both and then on the next stage of tests try booting from USB and use the external storage. It is such a pity I cannot use Optane with the DNBE  

But let me thank everybody, especially @bobfa for sharing so much info, that gave me the courage to dive in the ocean of stuff I had always avoided. Sometimes we do not need much, just a word to give us powers, much appreciated guys!

1 hour ago, kravi4ka said:

It is such a pity I cannot use Optane with the DNBE 

You can, in m.2 form factor.

1 hour ago, Dutch said:

 

You can, in m.2 form factor.

Well, I am almost computer illiterate... I checked Intel site and they had a list of NUCs and the DNBE was not there and I decided I am out of chance. Could you please, please give me a link for something that might work, I am that desperate... Thanks in advance!

2 minutes ago, kravi4ka said:

 

Well, I am almost computer illiterate... I checked Intel site and they had a list of NUCs and the DNBE was not there and I decided I am out of chance. Could you please, please give me a link for something that might work, I am that desperate... Thanks in advance!

https://simplynuc.com/itp/

https://www.simplynuc.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SimplyNUCProductBrief-NUC7i7DNFE.pdf

scroll down to fanless and they have the i7DNxx  boards on their fanless case.  The key s i7DN. For Dawson Canyon.  The FE on the end is fanless.

You can then pick the options you want, RAM, Optane, etc..

If this is still a problem let us know and we can try to help more.

Hi Everyone...  I am wondering how big of a difference there is in SQ between Euphony running on a NUC compared to Euphony running on a Mac Mini? I need to acquire one or the other for my dedicated Euphony system to be!

17 minutes ago, kravi4ka said:

 

Well, I am almost computer illiterate... I checked Intel site and they had a list of NUCs and the DNBE was not there and I decided I am out of chance. Could you please, please give me a link for something that might work, I am that desperate... Thanks in advance!

I guess I misunderstood, I thought you already own a DNBE motherboard!

Anyway, Bobfa already answered where you could get and configure one. I’m not from the USA so don’t know that market.

1 hour ago, Dutch said:

 

I guess I misunderstood, I thought you already own a DNBE motherboard!

 

Anyway, Bobfa already answered where you could get and configure one. I’m not from the USA so don’t know that market.

I do have the DNBE, I just got lost in all the options... It is all clear now, I hope in the next few weeks I will make it work and report, I wish I had more time.

But I will be able to use the Dutch&Dutch 8Cs(simply great, those Dutch  ) with the Mutec 3+ USB with a separate LPS. Hopefully the Euphony will be compatible with a firewire card so I can try the Weiss INT202 as well, it is one helluva AES EBU source... 

1 hour ago, mriguy said:

Hi Everyone...  I am wondering how big of a difference there is in SQ between Euphony running on a NUC compared to Euphony running on a Mac Mini? I need to acquire one or the other for my dedicated Euphony system to be!

The mac is really too noisy for music playback, andu need to switch the AC to DC power. Then most importantly the latest macmini 2018 does not allow external boot so euphony won’t work at all. I don;’t think it allows internal SSD boot either. Nothing except Mac OS can boot the latest Macs.

On 3/24/2019 at 9:35 AM, Chopin75 said:

The mac is really too noisy for music playback, andu need to switch the AC to DC power. Then most importantly the latest macmini 2018 does not allow external boot so euphony won’t work at all. I don;’t think it allows internal SSD boot either. Nothing except Mac OS can boot the latest Macs.

Another noob question! Is it possible to run Euphony on a Windows laptop? 

I currently have Audirvana Windows on mine (with Fidelizer 8) and would like to compare the two even if my laptop isn't up there with a NUC

Thanks

Hi @bobfa & @ArthurPower,

Apologies if these have been answered already but just reread this entire thread and a few more questions as I consider dipping my toes into lake Euphony.

The trial doesn't support UEFi boot yet so if I was to download the trial version to a USB stick then I need to change the BIOS settings to my NUCi7DNBE to legacy boot and it should boot from the USB, right?

(I'd want to try on the endpoint first as that just makes more sense to me. The endpoint has no SSD. So USB boot is a must)

Does the trial version allow me to enable Roon Bridge or Squeezelite as an endpoint?

(My Audiolinux server would be running Roon Server. So for my test of Euphony I need it to host an endpoint that I can play to)

Bob I gather you needed Euphony Support to change something to get the Roon Bridge working. That doesn't appeal too much for a trial. Is SL endpoint an option or is it a battle to get Euphony working as an endpoint?

Finally, does the RAM caching playback thing work in the above model or would I need Euphony OS on both server and endpoint to enable this?

Many Thanks,

Alan

Hi Everyone! 

Rats!  It appears that I could use your help getting my Euphony installation up and running. Here's the story.

The NUC is a NUC6i3syh.  It has no drives, other than the Euphony USB boot stick.  I freshly formatted the USB boot stick and used the Euphony Trial download utility to populate the USB boot drive.  On the NUC, I pressed F2 to  select a legacy BIOS boot and selected USB as the highest priority boot device. 

When the NUC boots I can get to the Euphony configuration screen, on another computer's browser. It all looks and acts fine there. I told Euphony to set itself up as a Roon Endpoint.  It says it is Active. When I press Start (at the top) it tells me that Euphony should now be visible to Roon as a viable endpoint....  but it isn't.

I notice that when the NUC boots, it has one Red [FAILED] line at the top of the boot list.  The error says: "Failed to start Load Kernel Modules."  I'm guessing that's not right and that it could be the cause of my problems.   All of the other lines in the boot text have a pretty green [OK]. 

Any guidance would be very much appreciated!

Thanks!

1 hour ago, mriguy said:

Hi Everyone! 

Rats!  It appears that I could use your help getting my Euphony installation up and running. Here's the story.

 

The NUC is a NUC6i3syh.  It has no drives, other than the Euphony USB boot stick.  I freshly formatted the USB boot stick and used the Euphony Trial download utility to populate the USB boot drive.  On the NUC, I pressed F2 to  select a legacy BIOS boot and selected USB as the highest priority boot device. 

When the NUC boots I can get to the Euphony configuration screen, on another computer's browser. It all looks and acts fine there. I told Euphony to set itself up as a Roon Endpoint.  It says it is Active. When I press Start (at the top) it tells me that Euphony should now be visible to Roon as a viable endpoint....  but it isn't.

 

I notice that when the NUC boots, it has one Red [FAILED] line at the top of the boot list.  The error says: "Failed to start Load Kernel Modules."  I'm guessing that's not right and that it could be the cause of my problems.   All of the other lines in the boot text have a pretty green [OK]. 

 

Any guidance would be very much appreciated!

Thanks!

Ignore this problem. It's happening in AL as well. Must be a bug distributed with the latest Archlinux updates. It seems to have no consequences.

5 minutes ago, lmitche said:

Ignore this problem. It's happening in AL as well. Must be a bug distributed with the latest Archlinux updates. It seems to have no consequences.

Thanks very much for that very helpfull information... Yet that leaves me with wondering why my Euphony installation fails to appear within my Roon core?  My other endpoints are still working fine. 

24 minutes ago, mriguy said:

 

Thanks very much for that very helpfull information... Yet that leaves me with wondering why my Euphony installation fails to appear within my Roon core?  My other endpoints are still working fine. 

Strange, did u see EUPHONY large print while running it or a screen that loads the linux kernel? 

I don't really recall noticing the big EUPHONY text made-up of the underscore and vertical line characters and saying it is up and ready ...  but I do remember seeing the IP address and URL for logging into it... and the text stating, "There's nothing else to do on this screen."   Thanks!

2 hours ago, mriguy said:

I don't really recall noticing the big EUPHONY text made-up of the underscore and vertical line characters and saying it is up and ready ...  but I do remember seeing the IP address and URL for logging into it... and the text stating, "There's nothing else to do on this screen."   Thanks!

Hi - My Euphony is now working with Roon. This is rather embarrassing, but my problem was caused by my not plugging in my DAC to the NUC. With no DAC seen, Roon hid the endpoint. I guess I was so used to using my Allo Digi-One... which totally hides the DAC from Roon due to the SPDIF connection, rather than USB. Sorry to bother everyone... but thanks to those who tried to help!

On 3/27/2019 at 11:08 PM, BigAlMc said:

Hi @bobfa & @ArthurPower,

 

Apologies if these have been answered already but just reread this entire thread and a few more questions as I consider dipping my toes into lake Euphony.

 

The trial doesn't support UEFi boot yet so if I was to download the trial version to a USB stick then I need to change the BIOS settings to my NUCi7DNBE to legacy boot and it should boot from the USB, right?

 

(I'd want to try on the endpoint first as that just makes more sense to me. The endpoint has no SSD. So USB boot is a must)

 

Does the trial version allow me to enable Roon Bridge or Squeezelite as an endpoint?

 

(My Audiolinux server would be running Roon Server. So for my test of Euphony I need it to host an endpoint that I can play to)

 

Bob I gather you needed Euphony Support to change something to get the Roon Bridge working. That doesn't appeal too much for a trial. Is SL endpoint an option or is it a battle to get Euphony working as an endpoint?

 

Finally, does the RAM caching playback thing work in the above model or would I need Euphony OS on both server and endpoint to enable this?

 

Many Thanks,

Alan

Bump.

Anyone able to advise on the above? Am trying to figure out if I can trial Euphony without committing the 300 bucks. Happy to pay if it improves upon on AL but don't want to splash that sort of cash unless I have to.

Cheers,

Alan

37 minutes ago, BigAlMc said:

Anyone able to advise on the above? Am trying to figure out if I can trial Euphony without committing the 300 bucks. Happy to pay if it improves upon on AL but don't want to splash that sort of cash unless I have to. 

it boots from USB just enable legacy in bios.

There is the option for roonbridge and squeezelite so if you run into the roonbridge bug you can test with squeezelite.

I think the ram cache feature is carried out by the software player, eg. the stylus player, roon doesn't do it.

Thanks @LTG2010,

That's a pity on the ram cache feature. But I might give it a whirl anyway to see how it compares to AL.

Cheers,

Alan

On 3/27/2019 at 7:08 PM, BigAlMc said:

Hi @bobfa & @ArthurPower,

 

Apologies if these have been answered already but just reread this entire thread and a few more questions as I consider dipping my toes into lake Euphony.

 

The trial doesn't support UEFi boot yet so if I was to download the trial version to a USB stick then I need to change the BIOS settings to my NUCi7DNBE to legacy boot and it should boot from the USB, right?

 

(I'd want to try on the endpoint first as that just makes more sense to me. The endpoint has no SSD. So USB boot is a must)

 

Does the trial version allow me to enable Roon Bridge or Squeezelite as an endpoint?

 

(My Audiolinux server would be running Roon Server. So for my test of Euphony I need it to host an endpoint that I can play to)

 

Bob I gather you needed Euphony Support to change something to get the Roon Bridge working. That doesn't appeal too much for a trial. Is SL endpoint an option or is it a battle to get Euphony working as an endpoint?

 

Finally, does the RAM caching playback thing work in the above model or would I need Euphony OS on both server and endpoint to enable this?

 

Many Thanks,

Alan

The RAM Caching, or they call Ecache is for Euphony OS running on local SSD (not sure if it works for USB stick). The file is not actually loaded into RAM but another region in the SSD. It allows very rapid retrieval of the music file like it is in the local SSD storage. That is all. The music is still then going to be loaded into the RAM when playback. It is not relevant for Roon etc, just for Stylus and external music storage. This means Ecache works like you actually have music files in the local SSD instead of the external storage drive. So it is not used in the ENDPOINT, just when you are playing music with STylus, though I think it can also pull files from  network (not sure) . Once music is loaded (when you put the music  files on the playlist of the Stylus) you can even detach the external drive. But I think if the files are too big perhaps not all the tracks or albums can be loaded on Ecache. I suspect once it is full, the remaining tracks get erased when new ones are copied. 

2 hours ago, Chopin75 said:

The RAM Caching, or they call Ecache is for Euphony OS running on local SSD (not sure if it works for USB stick). The file is not actually loaded into RAM but another region in the SSD. It allows very rapid retrieval of the music file like it is in the local SSD storage. That is all. The music is still then going to be loaded into the RAM when playback. It is not relevant for Roon etc, just for Stylus and external music storage. This means Ecache works like you actually have music files in the local SSD instead of the external storage drive. So it is not used in the ENDPOINT, just when you are playing music with STylus, though I think it can also pull files from  network (not sure) . Once music is loaded (when you put the music  files on the playlist of the Stylus) you can even detach the external drive. But I think if the files are too big perhaps not all the tracks or albums can be loaded on Ecache. I suspect once it is full, the remaining tracks get erased when new ones are copied. 

Perhaps Arthur from euphony can comment if my description is not accurate

@bobfa @ArthurPower 

I installed yesterday Euphony trial version on my NUC and I attached USB that have a multiple albums but when I went to my library I can't found the album that stored on my external USB?

Also when I will use Airplay from iPad should I have a music stored on my iPad or can I use a streamer application because I can't play a music from a different streamer applications.