How to turn a Innuos device in to a 1536kHz capable embedded HQPlayer

On 5/31/2022 at 11:24 PM, 1laraz said:

Should the USB drive with the image be always attached to the Zenith?

Its where the OS sits so I always assumes yes..

Is anyone running HQPlayer embedded on an Innuos with a recent version of HQP?  I previously had this working with 4.29.1 but it stopped following a Roon update.  I updated the HQPlayer image today to 4.32.4 today but the Zenith fails to boot with the image.  I tried both the x64sse4 and x64avx2 images and neither works (not sure which one to now use - previously it was x64gen?).  

I managed to finally get it working again.  I was using using a new 128GB Samsung 400MB/s 3.1 USB flash drive and it wouldn’t boot from the drive.  I switched to an older generic USB stick and it booted (with x64sse4 image which I believe is required as the Pentium N4200 in the Zenith doesn’t support AVX2).  I’m getting the option to select either ALSA or Network Audio as the backend.  Both seem to work and my Holo May DAC shows up automatically in both, but could someone please let me know if there is a difference and if I should select one versus the other?  My understanding is HQPlayer embedded and an NAA are different but is this different from the Network Audio backend option?

Hi, I am going to give this a try on my Zen Mk3 and Holo May Dac. This might be obvious but how do I connect a keyboard and display to the Innuos as described in the OP? Thanks Darren 

Disconnected the dac and use the usb for mouse/keyboard.

The Zenith has 2 USB connections for separate mouse/keyboard connection but I think the Zen only has 1 so you might need a 2 in 1 connector.

Logitech sets come that way.

OK, great, I know what to do with that now. One final question, once I've connected the keyboard and monitor how do I change the bios settings? Is it exactly the same way as you would do for a normal pc? Thanks 

Yes, it has a normal pc bios and can be accessed by keep hitting F1 during boot

21 hours ago, sworksone said:

I managed to finally get it working again.  I was using using a new 128GB Samsung 400MB/s 3.1 USB flash drive and it wouldn’t boot from the drive.  I switched to an older generic USB stick and it booted (with x64sse4 image which I believe is required as the Pentium N4200 in the Zenith doesn’t support AVX2).  I’m getting the option to select either ALSA or Network Audio as the backend.  Both seem to work and my Holo May DAC shows up automatically in both, but could someone please let me know if there is a difference and if I should select one versus the other?  My understanding is HQPlayer embedded and an NAA are different but is this different from the Network Audio backend option?

Hi,

ALSA would be used if you were to connect your server directly to your dac via USB. NAA would be if your were using a Network Endpoint between the two. In my case I have a Custom HDPlex Server that is Networked attached to a Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical. The Sonore connects to my DAC via USB. My HQPe Output is NAA. HQPe sees the DAC via the Rendu.

Glad you are enjoying HQPe.

Mike

9 minutes ago, BCRich said:

Hi,

ALSA would be used if you were to connect your server directly to your dac via USB. NAA would be if your were using a Network Endpoint between the two. In my case I have a Custom HDPlex Server that is Networked attached to a Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical. The Sonore connects to my DAC via USB. My HQPe Output is NAA. HQPe sees the DAC via the Rendu.

Glad you are enjoying HQPe.

Mike

thanks for this - makes sense.  Maybe too generic of a question - but is there typically any sound quality improvement in using a NAA, or is it more for convenience allowing the server / HPQe to be located away from the DAC?

1 minute ago, sworksone said:

thanks for this - makes sense.  Maybe too generic of a question - but is there typically any sound quality improvement in using a NAA, or is it more for convenience allowing the server / HPQe to be located away from the DAC?

There are various factors in play there, its not cut and dry. The USB Card in the server matters if you are going direct. In my opinion the Rendu takes my system to the next level. But obviously the quality of the NAA matters too. A JCAT USB Card will make a difference in my server vs the MB USB outputs. I chose the Rendu instead. In my case the cooling in my server is passive so it in the same room as my Rendu along with the rest of the system. All take advantage of my Audio Magic Power Conditioner that way. It’s a Rabbit hole for sure, everything matters.

4 hours ago, BCRich said:

There are various factors in play there, its not cut and dry. It’s a Rabbit hole for sure, everything matters.

I expected as much - like everything else in audiophile land.  Appreciate the feedback.  

On 8/13/2022 at 2:02 AM, sworksone said:

I’m getting the option to select either ALSA or Network Audio as the backend.  Both seem to work and my Holo May DAC shows up automatically in both, but could someone please let me know if there is a difference and if I should select one versus the other?  My understanding is HQPlayer embedded and an NAA are different but is this different from the Network Audio backend option?

For locally connected DAC you should be using ALSA backend. HQPlayer OS contains also NAA functionality and thus you are seeing the DAC also under that option. But there's no point in running through a local NAA instance.

Hi,

Just an update of what I have done on this so far: -

1. I have downloaded the image writer and I think I have written the embedded HQPlayer to the USB;

2. I connected a monitor (via the HDMI service connection port) and keyboard via the DAC USB output and I have changed the boot priority to USB;

3. I have connected the USB with the image to the back up USB connection on the Zen Mk3.

Now I am stuck, I don't know how to access the HQPlayer over the web interface.

Have I missed anything?

The guidance on signalyst.com advises to install the necessary packages (libgmpris and hpqplayerd) - I have not done this, is this something that I need to do on the Innuos?

Many thanks for any help in anticipation.

Darren

1 hour ago, Spoon102 said:

Hi,

 

Just an update of what I have done on this so far: -

 

1. I have downloaded the image writer and I think I have written the embedded HQPlayer to the USB;

2. I connected a monitor (via the HDMI service connection port) and keyboard via the DAC USB output and I have changed the boot priority to USB;

3. I have connected the USB with the image to the back up USB connection on the Zen Mk3.

 

Now I am stuck, I don't know how to access the HQPlayer over the web interface.

 

Have I missed anything?

 

The guidance on signalyst.com advises to install the necessary packages (libgmpris and hpqplayerd) - I have not done this, is this something that I need to do on the Innuos?

 

Many thanks for any help in anticipation.

 

Darren

Update on this, I can now access the HQPlayer through a web browser. The problem was that the boot priority had been set to USB drive rather than the memory stick. 

I now have one final problem.  The Innuos does not finish it's boot process. It's asking me to login to the HQPlayer and I don't know what to do. Shouldn't it boot automatically?

Thanks 

Darren 

The screen looks fine.

Can you find the dac and configure it (via the web interface)? If not - are you sure you are using the full HQP image? The NAA image can’t boot if you have 2 USB interfaces (not sure if the Zen has 2!?).

How do you plan on playing music on it? Direct or via some interface like Roon?

It's seeing the Holo May.

I plan to stream using the Innuos with the Roon integration.

You know how the Innuos led light blue (in my case), well it's still on the boot colour like it's not fully booted?

Darren 

The LED color is controlled bu the Innuos OS so it never gets the blue color with HQP 😉

Looks good - just remember the May works best with 20bit

OK, got it, so the screen and colour of the light are normal.

What I can't understand is that whilst the HQPlayer is running I can't access my Innuos app or my Roon app so I can't stream anything and also I can't configure Roon for the HQP!

I had been using the Innuos with the Roon integration turned on. Do you think I'll have to change my set up to get this to work?

The HQP on a USB disk solution is a complete OS and you can only run 1 OS at a time. So all functions in the Innuos OS cant be used while running HQP and visa versa.
So if you want to run HQP on your Innuos you have to run Roon core from  a separate machine. I use a Intel NUC with Roon ROCK which is a Linux installation for the NUC with Roon core.

Alternatively you can contact Innuos to have them install HQP as part of their OS but I still don’t think you can run both Roon core and HQP at the same time.

I see, thanks, that makes sense, I understand now.

I have a spare pc that I can use as a Roon core (temporarily) will give that a try tomorrow.

Thanks for your input on this, much appreciated. 

Has anyone been able to successfully access music stored on an Innuos when running HQPlayer embedded on it?  I’ve mostly been using the Zenith as an NAA but tried embedded again this weekend for comparison and I still can’t figure out how to add music stored on it to the HQPlayer library.  I used the /run/media pull down option to scan but after a long time the scan returned nothing.  Thanks for any assistance on this.

I just ran across this thread.  I have an Innuos Pulsar and an Holo May KTE.  So, I can load HQPlayer embedded on a USB insert into my Pulsar, boot from it and run HQ player to my May?

Anybody have more information on this?

5 hours ago, John Hughes said:

I just ran across this thread.  I have an Innuos Pulsar and an Holo May KTE.  So, I can load HQPlayer embedded on a USB insert into my Pulsar, boot from it and run HQ player to my May?

 

Anybody have more information on this?

 

 

innuos products don't have very powerful cpus on them -- they're not designed for the task of handling what hqplayer does at its highest levels (e.g. DSD512).  as is described earlier in the threads, there are ways to install hqplayer for use upsampling pcm to high levels (which is much less computing intensive).  they DO run hqplayer naa, so if you're wanting to upsample to high DSD rates on the may, it's better to run hqplayer on a separate computer to run hqplayer and output to the innuos device in naa mode.

On 1/29/2024 at 2:06 AM, sworksone said:

Has anyone been able to successfully access music stored on an Innuos when running HQPlayer embedded on it?  I’ve mostly been using the Zenith as an NAA but tried embedded again this weekend for comparison and I still can’t figure out how to add music stored on it to the HQPlayer library.  I used the /run/media pull down option to scan but after a long time the scan returned nothing.  Thanks for any assistance on this.

You would need to figure out where Innuos mounts the relevant filesystem and then scan that location. /run/media is specified as default library location in the default hqplayerd.xml config included in my official release, but it should be updated by the system manufacturer to match their system configuration.

On normal desktop Linux it is usually under /media

On 8/14/2024 at 3:55 PM, Miska said:

 

You would need to figure out where Innuos mounts the relevant filesystem and then scan that location. /run/media is specified as default library location in the default hqplayerd.xml config included in my official release, but it should be updated by the system manufacturer to match their system configuration.

 

On normal desktop Linux it is usually under /media

 

Thanks.  I did eventually see on another thread where they mount the filesystem so adding it here for anyone else.

On my Zenith Mk3 (so likely the same on all other Innuos devices) the Library path to scan is:

/run/media/sda4